Interview: Tim Brown

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Anyway, this episode I create a massive stink filled.

With death and illness.

And I look into the problems of plastic pollution.

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The show, well, let's show.

On this.

Right, Anton? What is the most disgusting, terrible, putrid offal? Just their smile you have ever experienced. Don't tell me what it is. Just think about it, OK?

And at home, make sure you're doing the same. Please now I want you to take a deep breath in your mind. Remember what it was like.

How does it make you feel what kind of sensations did it cost?

Not nice and a little bit like.

Why am I here?

OK, could you tell me?

What you're thinking about?

I was talking. I was thinking about the, uh.

A blocked drain pipe.

OK, yeah, not a nice smile is it? I'm glad it wasn't something more like me that you're thinking about so.

Thank you very much.

So do you think a smell could be enough to kill you? Do you think that any smell could kill?

I don't think so.

Well, it was once held that foul odours spread deadly diseases and plagues being tainted air would fill your lungs with illness and you'll be the next soul destined for the grave.

Miasma theory as if his name was popularised by Hippocrates in the 4th century BC, and he's known as the father.

Of medicine.

Now a modern version of his Hippocratic Oath, which is a like a set of ethical standards for practitioners, practitioners in medicine.

And it's still part of the swearing in process for medical graduates in many countries and breaking it.

Can't be illegal.

So he was a very.

Very influential guy and and kind of the belief in Miasma lasted for many thousands of years.

Actually I've got a.

Picture here for you which were having the show.

Notes this is an 18.

31 depiction of cholera by Robert Seymour. So can you describe?

PyCharm, what's what's it look like?

To me it looks like quite a large skeleton. Uh, and there's lots of, uh, I think.

Soldiers trying to fight the skeleton, a narrow the bottom of the picture, but quite a few of them are dead. But because of a bad smell.

Yeah, as you can see it submitting this deadly black cloud from it as well and it's kind.

Of in a shul.

This was a visual representation of my asthma.

But why do you think people believed that such sort of stronger foul smells could kill?

I think that's because they didn't like it. Or maybe people passed out because of that and they felt they were dead.

Yeah, or if you think of.

I know you've got some, I know.

Rotting flesh, flesh, or just something rotting, yeah.

Something wrong it's going to.

Be an air of our disease is going to.

Sort of spread, isn't it? So you would associate oh people get ill around this error and there's also this smell.

And rotting kind of is dying as well, yeah?

Now my asthma. The word comes from ancient Greek and actually means pollution and the idea also goes into malaria, which is probably the biggest killer in human history and that is from Italian. And it literally means bad air.

OK, it's the height of summer 1858 GB rules. The world of the empire upon which the sun never sets.

The British are the pinnacle of civilization and London, the largest city in the world, was nearly 3,000,000 habit.

It's a jewel in Queen Victoria crown. Well there's a problem. It stinks absolutely reeks of sewage and waste.

And with that.

The spread of diseases.

Such as cholera is rampant.

Thousands in London were struck down by.

My asthma bad air.

As we're still believed to be the dominant course of the spread of disease.

OK, I'm done. Do you want us to fire up The Time Machine and go visit Stinky London?

Or would you?

Just rather listen to the story from the safety of 2021.

I want to go to the stink, but.

But we might.

I was expecting this.

Have we might have to bring some sort of a perfume or something to help us when we come back?

I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint you. Wind up going to the stinky London.

Oh, we didn't have any perfume thing.

No sorry, the smell of which I speak was so bad that it became known as the great stink.

The summer of 1851 was hot. Very, very hot. Temperatures in London reached up to 48 degrees Celsius. It's 100.

And 18 for our American listeners.

So that's ridiculously warm.

Combined with a period of drought this course, the level of the river temps to drop and that exposed the banks and on them the build up of raw sewage that's being pumped into the water and that was baked in the incessant hot sun.

The waste.

Rapid rotting poo.

Yeah, yeah, exactly and other things that would have been in there like I made cuttings from vegetables and all sorts and dead rats that got washed down and just just filth. Yeah and the waste of several million people piling up thick, sticky and full of danger.

It's a pleasant topic, isn't it?

And there's an article in the Illustrated London news around that time which.

Which commented, we can colonise the remotest ends of the earth. We can conquer India. We can pay the interest on the most enormous debt ever contracted.

We can spread our name and our fame and our fruit defying wealth. I think I pronounced the trunk to every part of the.

World, but we cannot clean the River Thames.

Yes, that's true.

So do you think that this might be in a bit?

Of an inspiration.

For the riverbank, in Terry Pratchett's Discworld.

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, so as I said, with the smell came deadly disease and coloured ripped the city. This wasn't the first time such an event had occurred though.

The first was in 1832 when over 6 and a half thousand people died of the disease.

A second outbreak in 1848, team twice as many lives and another one in eighteen 5354.

Another 10,000 people perished, and cholera actually came from India. So it would have been brought back so we may have conquered in gaol, but we brought cholera back with us.

Punishment for our colonialism.

So do you know what colour is?

I'm not sure.

You want to find out.

OK, it's really nasty disease caused by the VBA colour. A cerrar OOP 01 bacterium, which I probably butchered there and today it still kills an estimated 95,000 people worldwide every year. I think it's 2 million people get infected every year as well.

And it causes acute diarrhoea and infection to the intestines. And people basically prove themselves to death. Not very pleasant, and with that your body roughly loses all of its fluids and from the tonnes of infection to death can only be ours sits.

It's terrifying, yeah, yeah, really, really horrible and 1848 letter to the times from somebody who lived in London, stated.

We live in Markham, filth being got no previous Nodos pins made water supplies. I know drain or silver in the old.

Place if Connor comes Lord help us.

So people living in fear.

Judging by the.

Spelling there. I think that was a rich aristocrat, something that was the common people were living in fear.

But the biggest victims, though we're poor old Queen Victoria and Prince Albert, who had to caught one of their river cruises short.

Ah, I know.

Despite having ascended handkerchief for protection, the queen ordered the boat turned around after only a few minutes.

Poor thing, now the problem was London and its servers were at breaking point. Say bad was the Thames that Punch magazine actually personified the filth as.

Father Thames so I've got a lovely woodcut illustration here. So what does that show?

Uhm, Father Thames introducing his offspring to the fair City of London.

Yeah, it's picture of some rather great esque children. Isn't that have emerged from the sewer? What's that funny dead beach at the bottom?

It looks like a mix between like a Beaver and a rat.

And does Assad?

The second image and both will be in.

The show notes shows.

Super scientist Michael Faraday giving his car to Father Thames, and he had actually written to the Times newspaper in 1855.

Love seeing the state of the river Friday dropped pieces of paper into it to test the degree of opacity.

That's how well you can see through the water. Yeah, kind of how clear?

It is his findings near.

The bridge is.

The fee silence rolled up into cloud so dense that they were visible at the surface.

Even the water of this kind, the smell is very bad and common to the whole water. It was the same as that which comes up.

From golly holes in the streets, the whole river, once for a time array or sewer.

So the water is coming up into the streets as well.

It's pretty nasty.

So how would you stop this horrible smell? How do you defeat my asthma?

How do you?

Easy, you just cover the smell with something else. A bit like spraying deodorant on a horrible sweaty body.

I mean my wash when you can just.

Spray over the top.

Now the newly constructed Houses of Parliament, they sit right on the banks of the river, heavens, don't they? I.

Think you've seen them, haven't you?

And when this stench became so strong that Bayes within were unable to work, they decided to douse the curtains in chloride of lime.

Before that, they've already tried putting like pegs on their noses, but they probably could have.

Order order

They probably could have.

That's cool.

Tasted the the sewer instead.

It's pretty tasty.

Yeah, that's right. I hadn't thought of that.

But when that failed, they started to dump the stuff and loads of other chemicals directly into the River Thames itself.

The problem was what they were chucking in. The water was also poisonous and this is the same words.

That people drink from.

I remember something from Horrible Histories, thus they showed what you just said about covering the curtains with the lime thing. But they also did one where.

Apparent was saying.

Did you wash your hands and and then the child nodded? But then they they were very clean. So then the parents said no, you didn't. And then they came back down with like.

Of course, yeah.

And then the pharaoh was like, oh, that's better.

Good boy.

But it seems that Parliament weren't particularly interested in doing anything about cleaning up the Thames, and a Conservative MP said.

Her majesty's.

Government has nothing whatsoever to do with.

The state of the Thames.

However, by the end of June, the stink was getting rather intolerable and they were all but compelled to legislate upon the Greater London nuisance by a force of sheer stench.

And they promptly rushed through a new law in just 18 days to modernise the sewer system.

And the times roots of this.

Proximity to the source of a stench concentrated their attention on courses in a way that many years of argument and campaigning had failed to do.

Such as Michael Faraday saying look got a problem here and this reverse disgusting.

So here's another illustration of one of those sewer workers. With this bucket of lime, which would be pouring into the water supply to try and clean it up exactly.

Play this morning.

Now the Seers of London. They've actually already started to be modernised and the 1844 Building Act states that any new properties but in the city had to be connected to the sewer system and not to a cesspool.

So traditionally most buildings would have had access pet, while they would have dumped their waste nearby or tucked in their sellers and things that you would have seen on various TV shows and stuff.

And so Samuel Pepys, UM, he wrote in his Diaries of once entering his cellar, and he stood in something Machi down there. I think it was a shared seller with his neighbour.

Uhm, so there was actually people called.

Younger farmers and their job.

Oh yeah, I love them.

Do you know them? Yeah, what do they do?

They, uh, their literal job was to collect poo and that they also collected some off the streets. I think intruder times they.

They they like throw.

It out the window. Maybe there's an farmers then as well he would collect.

That's right, and so they would then collect it, take it out of the city and it be sold. Maybe it's fertiliser for the fields or generally disposed of, and actually got paid a lot for doing this, because it was such a horrible job, far more than the average citizen of London.

However, some assess balls are really small and children would be sent down to.

Clean them dimension doing that.

No, it's it's.

Yeah, probably better cleaning chimneys. Although actually I was about to say the risks are probably lower, but about what I've heard recently.

I'm not sure.

I yeah, I don't think either one very favourable.

And they do this job at night time in the dark.

But due to all the gases such as methane which is explosive or you could use no lights but it's being naked flames back then and would actually have other explosions on the city from the gas is escaping from like the pipework underground as well.

Yeah, really horrible stuff.

Now there's one gong farmer who rather than disposing of the effluence, poured it down a drain instead, and he was caught doing this, and they had these big pipes at their dues for sucking up with clearing or whatever it was, and he was putting one of his pipes up to his neck in with the muck, and then he was.

Publicly displayed with a sign next term telling of his Prime Mitchell neighbourhood.

Right?

But yeah, as I said they they got paid quite a lot, so it wasn't a cheap job to get done.

And then, as the city grew, they had to travel further and further out, and there's obviously more work to be done.

So a lot of the landlords and people they actually stopped paying for this as a service. So there's just even more of a build up of poo everywhere.

Yeah, because obviously if you're not being paid.

And not doing it.

Yeah, so obviously getting a good modern sewer system was essential.

And of course, getting rid of the smell.

Faster meant escaping the deadly miasma faster.

But there's one.

Really big problem with the early series that were built and that is that the Thames is a tidal river and you know what that means.

It goes up and down.

Yeah, with that I'd see what's gonna happen then.

It's gonna go up with all the poo and then leave with their exactly yes comes back.

Down a bit like in city Skylines, if you put your outlet.

To the wrong place end.

Up feeding into a water supply.

Or or you like put all your poo in a volcano and then it erupts and then the whole thing was destroyed.

And flooding with who?

Yeah, the problem was I think it was five out of six of the pumping stations. They were downstream but not further enough downstream.

So when the tide came in and pushed the water back up, the little poos infects the peoples drinking water and the intakes.

So obviously a new improved 0 plan was needed, one far superior.

And on a massive scale.

So step in, chief engineer Frank Foster to save.

The city hero of the people.

He promptly died of stress in 1852.

So instep James is badgett.

Who had previously suffered a breakdown of its own?

Due to overwork.

Not looking promising, is it?

However, like 1856 he had completed his epic plans for reworking London sewers.

And in a great piece.

Of planning and foresight, Azure yet designs the main servers to be doubled the size they required so that they would support a growing population in the future. Actually still used today.

Any of them?

Here's a picture of people down in the sewers. Interesting work.

Engine building these tunnels underground without any real modern construction equipment like there's rushing water there.

Yeah, they got like.

Sin Log sky across.

Incredible bit of engineering.

His plans wouldn't come.

Cheap though they.

Would cost over 6 and a half million pound, which in today's money would go into hundreds of 1,000,000.

Can you imagine the scale of it though trying to connect every building over home and city of 1,000,000 to a sewer system?

I mean, imagine with the disruption. I'd be there like all the ladies being dug up and these.

Tunnels being dug.

And and I know things being re routed all the time, it's.

Lots of materials as well.

Yes, yeah there were 300.

And 18 million bricks used in the construction and.

And there's a new type of cement called Portland Cement which had a different mix. Actually got stronger underwater, but it's a little bit controversial in its use because it had to be precisely mixed, otherwise it could easily lose its its strength. So as of yet.

He implemented a really rigorous mixing procedure and did lots of testing to ensure that they have the perfect combination of ingredients and each batch was tested to ensure it's up to spec.

I think it's really easy for people to miss these incredible engineering achievements, such as the Sirius system or the utilities networks, but they're hidden from view.

They're amazing, aren't they really think every home on this island connected to fresh running water and electricity and all of our waste gets taken away? I mean, that's amazing, really.

And they don't get that appreciation. I don't think so. You don't see it.

So they're building.

The railways in London at the time. So in this image you can see a rail underground railway being done there, and there's the pipes coming through, then the embankments that are along the River Thames.

They're actually built to hold some of these super channels so they run parallel to the river itself, so an affair of the system along with these sewers was actually these lovely.

Wide open spaces by the river.

To avoid the aforementioned tidal issue and allow future growth, he actually placed the sewer outlets 24 kilometres or 15 miles further downstream than the original proposed location. So again, really good forward planning there. But of course you've got to get serious.

To travel in a direction, don't you have to slap them and they actually went down really gently at 38 centimetres a kilometre?

So how do you even measure?

Without like all the lasers, yeah. And and that was yeah moved the sewage down towards the outlets, but because of that this gentle sleep there were several points along the journey where actually have to be blazed up.

Because it's a big ruler.

I think it's six metres or something. It had to be raised up so it could then start sleeping down again.

So they made pumping stations and they actually housed the largest steam engines in the world at the time. And here's a photo of.

One and only describe that.

Pretty, I know it's.

Amazing, isn't it? It's beautiful.

So this is a station for pumping poo.

Yeah, you wouldn't get architecture and design at that today VG. Not particularly for like a utilities building. I think it's a time when can these great engineers that they met in the middle with artists and Craftsman and artisans and they were really celebrated. And I I think it's a shame we maybe we don't have.

Of that today.

Now this pumping station in Cross Ness. It was actually aiming by the future King Edward the 7th, with the Mayor of London and the Archbishop of Canterbury and attendance says comma, how important it was. Do you see the queen? Aim putting a serious treatment plant or something today?

By 1875 the project was completed and Badgett was knighted for his tireless work and effort in leading this monumental undertaking and Punch magazine sonified him as as you get a sewer snake.

It's not the nicest name bases made out of pipes.

Yeah, I'm attending bank meant to shame there.

As well, that's that's how he's running this, OK?

Well, I know he's remembered better than.

That actually. So in 1891 he died when his legacy lives on today.

As his sewers are still in use.

Historian Jon Docs, it stated he probably did more good and saved more lives than any single Victorian official.

Some praise there, isn't it? But what I think my asthma if moving the poop downstream, cure it.

Let's see.

My asthma isn't real.

Cholera isn't transmitted by bad air, but rather by bacteria.

In the water.

In 1854, physician John Snow noted a large number of deaths around a.

Water pump on Broad Street, Soho.

You also reason that cholera as it affects the intestines must be ingested, not breathed in. So how could it kind of travel and bad smells?

He removed the handle from the pomp and, alas, the number of deaths dropped.

The war had.

Been contaminated by a nearby track cesspool.

He had the proof he needed.

When he published his findings, they were ignored.

By the authorities.

Of course my asthma is true.

I mean, the belief of 2000 years, but.

The full thing it could be transmitted by water.

However, maybe people had listened plans have been drawn up a little bit sooner, and a lot of.

Life saved because.

The water the tablets became known as Monster Soup.

And I'm actually from 1828 here of a lady.

Looking through a microscope or something.

Some Thames Water and once does it look like?

There's like lots of.

See monster bacteria. It's quite funny.

It's great, isn't it?

She looks horrified.

She does. I'm drinking this small.

Thankfully, Bagets fantastic sewers cleared the river and the water, so then the bacteria in the water of more. The contamination of the sewage and many many lives were saved and they still aren't to this day.

Now I'm Tom. It's a special treat to really bring the history to life. I've recreated the famous Thames River water for you so come follow me. We'll be back in a moment.

Hey, we're in the garden recording.

On the phone now.

And it's a gorgeous.

Late September evening, isn't it? And just hidden over here. I've got the Thames and what was it called again? Monster soup for you?

I'm scared.

I'm scared as well. There's actually a fly buzzing around it. There's dead fly in it.

You just killed the flight.

Oh, so that.

Is that revolting house now come back?

Actually like, yeah.

Do you?

OK, now we're gonna.

Did you wonder how I made this? It's very authentic.

How did you make it?

You don't want to know actually.

If my phone is disgusting, but this is no different to what happens every.

Day in many homes.

Right, it smells, but we're going to take someone.

Oh my.

Looked at under the microscope.

I spoke to accidentally this is a problem.

Second, she gonna say that join the.

We we doing 10.

During the Great stink, there'd be times when they say that the wind retains RX in this city, and actually people would start vomiting. That's how bad it was.

I think my monster.

Suit might be a bit too effective. I think the rossing onions in there. Yeah, standing over the.

Edge Five put my locked down mask to go do so again.

You have and. We've actually collected a smooth sample of it here to do some science because it's just order the name of science and it's in the microscope and I can't see much swimming around in there. But if you have a look how much time it will take some little eggs or something.

Oh yeah.

Second, you see.

The monster soup.

Yup, do look like some sort of eggs.

Can you see anything else?

In the.

Whoa, have a look at that.

Now I just feel bubble I reckon.

Ah, well, bubbles that.

Place that goal anyway.

But I thought that was some sort of giant monster.

Oh, I've got green stuff.

If you zoom a bit deeper in just a tiny twist, there's little green things in there which might be which I used some some rain water that being sat in a pot.

Phrases and full of algae.

I reckon I might have lost all the living creatures right up to the jar over.

Yeah, maybe we'll have to do.

The experiment and again.

We'll keep you updated next. In another upside, maybe.

If we haven't died of cholera, Yep.

I got some of my.

Right, we are back in the studio now and I think my Thames Monster seat was a little bit too good.

Yeah, it was like the worst smell I've ever smelled in my life ever.

So if I ask you that original question again, what's the worst thing you smelled? You got a new answer.

Quite a bit swimming around in as well, which is good and we have some photos in this change. Sorry about that, that's revolting.

Down below.

Alright anyway, onto my segment which is pollution?

Yeah, but it's keeping with the watery topic.

Do you see it?

The pollution problem is global and beginning to become out of control. It's caused when discarded plastics, which can take hundreds of years to breakdown, are washed, blown off, thrown into the sea.

Here are some of the main polluting countries.

There's plastic pollution while police and the patients.

So we've got China up.

The top.

Smashing anyone else, no one contending with that sort of pollution. Then we've got Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam and Sri Lanka.

The top five.

Yeah, I'm looking at that. Their shows that China I've got three and a half million pieces of marine debris is that every year that.

They're putting into the waters. That's so much.

Yeah, that is true.

One of the biggest and deadliest effects of plastic pollution is how it kills wildlife. For example, on Midway Atoll there is a massive amount of albatross, however they are now dying out because of our carelessness.

Albatross eat plastic, or feed it to their young.

They cannot digest the plastic but still feel full.

As a result, they either staff or most likely or poisoned by the toxins.

Yeah, I remember you showing me some some pictures in a documentary on this says you have watched and I couldn't believe how much plastic there wasn't.

The beats of Midway.

It's it's littered with that, isn't it? It's it's.

Like 2, the two main things there are the birds and the plastic, and sometimes you can even tell them apart.

No, no said the birds are suffering so much and they may. Well there's 100 then just dying. It's it's actually disgusting.

I'll tell you about something something else about that in a moment.

OK.

Sadly there is another way the animals and possibly humans can die.

The food chain fish which eat microplastics are eaten by birds and humans 3 billion people in the world rely on seafood. Imagine 3 billion people dying because of their own actions.

Yeah, so that takes me into what I was mentioning earlier. You know the documentary that we watched there was pictures there where there's a dead albatross and and one of the like care, UM?

The product protectors of Midway Atoll cut cut it open, literally plastic there was. It was weird because they always had no insides, like that was meant to be there.

Yeah, I guess they get confused. They see, I know it reflecting in the sun and it looks a little bit like a fish or something and they. Yeah, as I said they pick up and feed it to.

It was just all plastics.

Young, then with the micro nano plastics in the war so we say will be eaten by.

Wolves at the plankton.

Yep, so it's like absorbs. That's how small the nano plastics are. Are they're absorbed by the plankton and then the microplastics are?

Like they're bigger than their nano plastics, but there I don't know. Uh, plastic bucket. It could be a Shard from that.

Yeah, it was a bit like fish food I guess, but she put in an aquarium and then if you imagine.

They were a bird catching 10 fish and then that's gonna have 10 fishes worth of plastics inside it.

That's 10 bottle Lids.

Yeah, and then there's a.

Massive, is it the garbage patch? It's called as in.

The Pacific, which is.

Yep, there's a specific one, and I think in language model.

Is it bigger than France?

Yeah, that it was three fonts is. That's how big.

It was, which is ridiculous.

Yeah, that's a lot of waste so.

I think yeah, I I think.

It might have been the Atlantic.

There's sharp Pacific, yeah?

I need that.

Anyway, do you think there'll be a plastic layer?

What do you mean a plastic layer?

Are we going to be good? The plastic age? Will future geologists find a plastic layer in the Earth's crust? Quite probably.

Yes, I actually remember.

Couple of years ago reading an article and I can't remember what it's called now. There's some proper scientific name, but they're saying that there will be a new type of rock from the compressed plastics. There's so much of it there. Yeah, which yeah, future geologists will find, I mean.

So it's how much stuff is sticking out there.

I think it started with P and it was.

Very long, yeah yeah special words.

Yep, but yeah, I think that wraps up for my second nicely.

Yeah, so well, hopefully there will be people who will. Well there are people helping with this problem there such as Boyan Slat, our 2019 man of the Year or part of the year.

Huh, wasn't haven't done since.

No mate who heads up the ocean cleanup and they they're doing it mainly and rivers, but they're also looking at cleaning up the oceans, which is obviously fantastic stuff, so make sure that you dispose of your plastic. Will try and minimise your usage where possible.

But the I.

Suppose there could be like a an alternative for plastic because there's silicone or silicone.

Can be made into a sort of plastic alternative, but what width?

And very reusable.

And the second most common resource element element. Yeah, in the world, Earth's crust.

That's right, yeah.

It's that's plenty full of it.

Yeah, another bio. Plastics as well made out of corn and all sorts so.

But the bad thing about these bioplastics is you might have to cut down some rainforests store in the world.

Is this?

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A little bit to help us would be reviewing us at.

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You caught me off guard there. Yes, if you want to help the show like he could help the planet and you can review us on Apple Podcasts please or podchaser or various different places.

And you can also follow us on social media. Currently wears that Anton to put you on the spot now.

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You can visit.

Our store shop.thecostforchild.com

Or the website, which is the curiosity of a child comma.

That's right, yeah. And we also part of the that's not Canon network.

And they've got loads of great shows and I'm going to insert one of their trailers here.

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Plenty of schitt.

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That random trader I inserted but haven't decided on one, yeah?

Do you know what else is good?

My YouTube channel.

Your YouTube channel? Yeah, search for the curiosity of gaming on YouTube. Johnny Jolly good, and that's probably up I think for this show I apologise.

For this smell.

And I've also apologise for knocking off in the garden, and I know basically making a wasteland for the next 1000 years.

That evil you like. Next get the house. They're going to be wondering why it's so smelly.

Yeah, it's just a dead patch of lawn.

Second, Yep anyway.

That's a wrap, I think.

See ya.

Yeah bye love you.

Both fleeting leaving marks.